Kalyan Varma ([info]kalyan) wrote,
@ 2008-05-16 12:02:00
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EVM
I voted last week.
It was an Electronic Voting Machine (EVM).
It does not have a paper trail.
Something smelled fishy.
I do not trust machines.

Shudder

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[info]say_yes04
2008-05-16 06:47 am UTC (link)
Did you trust any of the candidates?

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[info]sdeepthi
2008-05-16 07:39 am UTC (link)
Its more easy to tamper computerized things than the traditional paper ones!!

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[info]kalyan
2008-05-16 07:45 am UTC (link)
and there is no way to re-count or re-verify what went on.

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[info]sdeepthi
2008-05-16 08:03 am UTC (link)
exactly!!! cons of technology :(

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Recount .. yes. Verify/Reverify ... no
(Anonymous)
2008-05-16 09:53 am UTC (link)
Verification is only possible when the vote is cast.

Once you lose the capacity to verify a vote, machine and paper have the same advantages (or disadvantages) when it comes to recounting.

On counts of fraud prevention, machines definitely work better. More on the EVM and its fraud prevention -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_voting_machines.

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Re: Recount .. yes. Verify/Reverify ... no
[info]kalyan
2008-05-16 01:11 pm UTC (link)
My issue was the fact that there is no correlation between my name on the list and me voting with the machine. They are 2 diff process which i do not agree with.

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Re: Recount .. yes. Verify/Reverify ... no
[info]manubhardwaj
2008-05-16 02:13 pm UTC (link)
There's actually no connection between you (the human being), and your name on the list either. My dad has three separate entries, for example.

While you're at it, you should also raise privacy concerns about the voters' list being in the public domain!

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Re: Recount .. yes. Verify/Reverify ... no
[info]kalyan
2008-05-16 03:59 pm UTC (link)
http://164.100.80.122/Search/Shw_Eng_Delimit.asp?txtName=&txtHno=&txtFname=dd&Sex=&txtAge=&txtPincode=&txtEPIC=

What fun.. I think I can get a dump of all the people in one go..

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Re: Recount .. yes. Verify/Reverify ... no
[info]manubhardwaj
2008-05-16 04:04 pm UTC (link)
Exploits of a Mom

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Re: Recount .. yes. Verify/Reverify ... no
[info]kalyan
2008-05-16 04:15 pm UTC (link)
Pssst.. I think i just found a way in.. more later...

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Re: Recount .. yes. Verify/Reverify ... no
[info]kalyan
2008-05-16 04:02 pm UTC (link)
ftp 164.100.80.122
username : anonymous

OK I need to go now.. but suddenly this weekend sounds very exciting :)

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Re: Recount .. yes. Verify/Reverify ... no
[info]anushsh
2008-05-16 05:08 pm UTC (link)
ROTFL

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[info]raghav
2008-05-16 09:11 am UTC (link)
Seriously, I too am of the same opinion, ballot paper for me. Hell, they can't even get your name right on your voting card, and my name appeared thrice in the "computerized" voting list.

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[info]deponti
2008-05-16 09:25 am UTC (link)
Heh, heh, funny comment for a "computer" person to make! But I agree with you. EVM's do smell strongly of fish!

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[info]kalyan
2008-05-16 01:10 pm UTC (link)
its not computers.. its just the paranoia kicking in

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[info]mekin
2008-05-16 11:19 am UTC (link)
I agree its easier, but then cheats will find a way ...
What I am saddened by is that just 44% people voted in urban Bangalore.

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[info]kalyan
2008-05-16 01:09 pm UTC (link)
Its just cheats.. am more worried about someone paying Rs 1000 Crores to someone induce some bugs in the controllers.

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(Anonymous)
2008-05-17 12:55 am UTC (link)
And, the same person can give 1000 crores to induce bugs in the paper based system. When you are that determined to subvert a system, the system constituents don't really matter.

Plus neither system is strong enough to resist an insider job. I would argue that the paper system has already been broken into...

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[info]manubhardwaj
2008-05-16 12:25 pm UTC (link)
You read too many American blogs!

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[info]kalyan
2008-05-16 01:08 pm UTC (link)
heh I swear

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[info]deponti
2008-05-16 05:41 pm UTC (link)
I hope you read the article by [info]usha123 in Citizen Matters about voting? :)

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[info]manubhardwaj
2008-05-16 05:49 pm UTC (link)
Of course I did, but my hands are tied because postal balloting is not allowed in India!

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[info]anushsh
2008-05-16 05:52 pm UTC (link)
http://164.100.80.122/Search/ is funny :P

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[info]anomalizer
2008-05-17 06:27 pm UTC (link)
I have completely lost the voting mark on my finger. I can go to North Karnataka and vote again. In this country, there are way too many open ends in the election system that the lack of paper trail is not the most glaring issue.

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yeah
(Anonymous)
2008-05-19 05:21 am UTC (link)
yeah.. its not so easy to tweak into the EVM , i am one of the designer of the latest gen. EVM . i was working @ BEL for a while.. ! I was involved in designing of the firmware which goes into that too..! All I can say is its not easy to tweak :) !!
Saying this, i agree with kalyan.."My issue was the fact that there is no correlation between my name on the list and me voting with the machine". I guess population is the main hinderance , its tuff to implement this with the existing technology...as we cannot design to have EVM for a particular list.

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yeah
[info]karthiknarayana
2008-05-19 05:21 am UTC (link)
yeah.. its not so easy to tweak into the EVM , i am one of the designer of the latest gen. EVM . i was working @ BEL for a while.. ! I was involved in designing of the firmware which goes into that too..! All I can say is its not easy to tweak :) !!
Saying this, i agree with kalyan.."My issue was the fact that there is no correlation between my name on the list and me voting with the machine". I guess population is the main hinderance , its tuff to implement this with the existing technology...as we cannot design to have EVM for a particular list.

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(Anonymous)
2008-05-19 09:57 am UTC (link)
I can see a positive side to EVMs.. You'll save trees by not using paper.
Imagine how many trees for each election which comes more than once in 5 years! :)

Then there are dropping fire in the ballot box to screw up the votes..

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[info]howyoudoin.wordpress.com
2008-05-19 09:57 am UTC (link)
I can see a positive side to EVMs.. You'll save trees by not using paper.
Imagine how many trees for each election which comes more than once in 5 years! :)

Then there are dropping fire in the ballot box to screw up the votes..

-Sandeep

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Exactly my feeling
[info]sriturl.blogspot.com
2008-05-19 02:31 pm UTC (link)
I was wondering standing at the machine, if the buttons are properly configured.
Its just a sheet of paper fixed on it, which says press this button for Cand-A.
What if they configured button 1 for Cand A and the paper fixed on it shows Button2 for Cand-A ???

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